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| 121 | 3207 | We actually only know three things about him: Ehrman, Bart: Did Jesus Exist? The Historical Argument for Jesus of Nazareth (Kindle Edition), Loc 135, 3963; Sanders, EP: The Historical Figure of Jesus, Penguin Books, London 1995, pp. 10-11 gives a slightly longer list of known facts. |
| 121 | 3213 | Richard Carrier: On the Historicity of Jesus: published by Sheffield Phoenix Press, 2014. |
| 121 | 3215 | In academia, these ideas are treated about as seriously as the idea that the moon landings were faked: Martin, Dale B: New Testament History and Literature (Kindle Edition), Yale University Press, 2012, Loc 3449; Ehrman: Did Jesus Exist? Loc 118. |
| 121 | 3221 | We don’t have a single contemporary reference to Spartacus: Carrier, Richard: Jesus From Outer Space: What the Earliest Christians Really Believed about Christ (Kindle Edition), Pitchstone Publishing, 2020, Loc 1630. |
| 121 | 3226 | Anything written on parchment or papyrus don’t last long: Römer, Thomas: The Invention of God, Harvard University Press, 2015, p. 8; Barton, John: A History of the Bible: The Book and Its Faiths, Penguin Random House, London 2020, p. 285ff. |
| 121 | 3232 | there were hardly any dying-and-rising gods, if any: Ehrman: Did Jesus Exist? Loc 3281ff. |
| 121 | 3236 | Dawkins’ credentials as a historian: I think I owe this jibe to Tim O’Neill of the History for Atheists blog, but I have been unable to track it down. |
| 122 | 3245 | he has to make the myth of Jesus mirror the myth of the Moses and Israelites: Sanders, The Historical Figure of Jesus, pp.87-88; Martin: New Testament History and Literature, Loc 1874; MacCulloch, Diarmaid: A History of Christianity: The First Three Thousand Years (Kindle Edition). Penguin Books 2010, Loc 1865. |
| 122 | 3259 | ‘…there are things in the gospels that undermine the Jesus myth?’ ‘Yes, three in particular.’ (Nazareth, baptism and the crucifixion.): Ehrman, Bart D: How Jesus became God: the exaltation of a Jewish preacher from Galilee (Kindle Edition), HarperOne 2014, Loc 1449; See also Tim O’Neill’s blog History for Atheists. Click here for the link (accessed 15 August 2023). |
| 123 | 3288 | the Messiah wasn’t supposed to die: Martin: New Testament History and Literature, Loc 1671-1713; Ehrman: How Jesus became God, Loc 1731-1740. |
| 124 | 3301 | His dad was probably a builder or carpenter, though he may have been a rabbi: Vermes, Geza: Jesus the Jew: A Historian’s Reading of the Gospels. Collins, London 1973. |
| 124 | 3302 | He had at least one brother, James: Sanders: The Historical Figure of Jesus, pp. 125-6. |
| 124 | 3304 | possibly without the Baptist’s approval: Sanders, op cit pp. 93-94. |
| 124 | 3306 | the world as we know it is about to end: Ehrman: How Jesus became God, Loc1643-1670. |
| 124 | 3307 | The tone of Jesus’ message seems to have been different (from John the Baptist’s): Ehrman How Jesus became God, Loc 1521-7; Sheehan, Thomas: The First Coming: How the Kingdom of God Became Christianity, Crucible, Wellingborough 1988, pp. 57-8. |
| 124 | 3309 | Jesus believed he had some special part to play in the arrival of God’s kingdom, but it’s not clear what: Sanders: The Historical Figure of Jesus, pp. 232-248; Vermes, Geza: The Authentic Gospel of Jesus, Penguin, London 2004, pp. 402-3. Bart Ehrman argues that Jesus almost certainly believed he was the Messiah: Ehrman How Jesus became God, Loc 1764-1824. |
| 124 | 3315 | His message was only for Jews: Sanders: The Historical Figure of Jesus, pp. 191-193 (Sanders’ view is a little more nuanced than this: he thinks Jesus would have wanted the gentiles to be converted after the Kingdom of Heaven was established); Martin: New Testament History and Literature, Loc 1853. |
| 124 | 3316 | And he wasn’t particularly original, just a fairly typical first-century Jewish eschatological preacher: Sanders, The Historical Figure of Jesus, pp. 183-7, 259-262; For Sheehan (The First Coming pp. 57-69), however, Jesus had a radical and novel message of personal redemption in the coming kingdom that was very different from the fire and brimstone message of John the Baptist; Hans Kung twists and turns but eventually more or less admits that Jesus was wrong about the imminent end of the world: Küng, Hans: On Being a Christian. Collins, London 1977, pp. 216-8. |
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